Members of Twin Flames Universe have volunteered countless hours, quit full time jobs, moved continents, ended up with restraining orders, spent tens of thousands of dollars, married strangers and in some cases changed their gender - all in the process of following the teachings of Canadian Shaleia Divine and her husband Jeff Divine, the leaders of Twin Flames Universe.

But in a world exclusive sit-down interview, Jeff Divine told W5 that some of these teachings are actually just “silly ideas,” and that they’re merely “experimenting” with the beliefs they’re espousing to followers. The interview was part of a recent PR campaign undertaken by Twin Flames Universe in the wake of a media firestorm the last several years. They’ve been accused of financially exploiting followers, running a pyramid scheme, tax evasion, labour trafficking, brainwashing and coercing followers into changing genders.